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imagine a place between shadow the

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substance the place where the world has

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just been not many pass through here

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they just tend to get burned up in fact

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it is the knowledge was corrosive yeah

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an acid the mind can unwrap so you're

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gonna want to keep your wits about you

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you gotta feel great some patients they

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say the secret of the finder sometimes

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McMinnville yes yes I haven't outlived

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my welcome here thank you again for

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having me

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guys what an incredible really exciting

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weekend just as a fan and I'm very

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excited

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Bogg Lazar is here we did it man we

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flipped the script thanks to Bob for

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deciding to tell you his story again we

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will have a live Q&A there are specific

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things we'll go over you haven't heard

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before we're gonna get very specific

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today but write really thoughtful

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questions you know not manifestos

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questions right yes questions and then

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we'll do our best to answer them enjoy

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the film will be right up here on stage

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after and thank you guys this story is

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extraordinary especially if it's true

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and it all started in the desert

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just north of blood finish a local

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scientist who's worked at Groom Lake

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said to beware top-secret weapon systems

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have been tested over the years he has

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asked that his identity be shielded

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exactly what's going on up there what's

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going on up there could be the most

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important event in history physical

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contact and proof from another another

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system another planet and other

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intelligence what would happen to you if

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the government learned that you were

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giving us this information you just want

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to stay alive maybe this has been kept

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from us for a good reason sir how do we

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know you are who you say you are my

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name's Bob Lazar I'm known for working

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at a classified base and reverse

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you are the bat can we ever be made

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whole before not believe I have no

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motivation to live the science and the

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technology can change us the boys look

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to the skies for answers

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thank you Bob for letting me make the

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movie this story spans as you know 30

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years so thanks for watching the movie

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let's jump directly into it it's been

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said by George many times that Bob Lazar

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is a reluctant UFO Messiah I want to

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hear when you were gonna be put on the

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news and you were nervous about your

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well being how George Knapp had the tape

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and you said okay let's do it

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and the second he's putting in that tape

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there was a wrestling match you did not

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want your name and face out there so

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each of you I want to hear your side on

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stage before we start the agreement was

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that we could film all of this back in

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the 80s and that at any time if I change

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George guaranteed me we'll just pull it

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that's it

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there's no problem so we did film all of

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it and things started to get tense and I

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began to get worried as time went on and

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it finally came to the day where it was

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going to be aired on the five o'clock

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news if I recall and you know kind of

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near the last minute but not the last

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minute you know I decided you know what

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let's not do it I'm not going to go

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public with this and George just said no

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we're doing it and so I tried to grab

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the tape from George and I think that

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that's about all I remember I don't know

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where it went after that well I wouldn't

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but just context of that is that 30

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years ago this week this Wednesday

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it's the synchronicity of it with the

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anniversary for this festival and the

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30th anniversary of that event that

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changed our lives and the life of area

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it's scripted but we did that interview

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with with Bob as Dennis I had not met

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him it was a last-minute thing you know

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it was somebody had canceled I'd been

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hearing about Bob from John Lear for a

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long time

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somebody had canceled for our 5 o'clock

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news and we said called Lear Hank and

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your flying saucer guy then Terry 51 guy

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can he do an interview I had no idea

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what was going on in Bob's life at the

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time that he'd ran into some trouble

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with his employers and was afraid for

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his life and was surprised when they

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said yes we put the 5 o'clock interview

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on this story comes spilling out all of

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our jaws were dropping the general

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manager comes running in is that real

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the news director calls me in is that

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for real the phone's ringing off the

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hook all hell's breaking loose we don't

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know if it was real but we decided to

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find out it so the next weekend we go to

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Lear's house to meet Lazar

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my own news director and I Bob we're

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gonna put him through his paces gonna

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ask him bunch of questions I was

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background figure out if we believe his

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story and we left that meeting on holy

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crap this sounds like it's true and if

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it is it's the biggest story we're ever

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gonna cover it was also the riskiest

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story we were ever gonna cover because

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our reputations were on the line

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individually as journalists we could be

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ridicule it can damage the reputation of

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the station so we're gonna take our time

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and check this out I had to talk Bob it

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took me another month to talk Bob into

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getting a safety interview going on

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camera not to be aired just to have it

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in case something happened to him

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because it was a lot of strange stuff

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going on at the time yeah their threats

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are being made to him we were all being

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followed around our phones were tapped

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it was a very tense time and it's hard

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to convey to people 30 years later how

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real it was what was real we lived

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through it what was going on so we had

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that first interview that was our safety

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interview and I promised I wouldn't air

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it that was just in case Bob

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bumped off or something and also as a

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measure of protection to let people know

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that we've already got the interview you

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don't need to kill him anymore we're

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still gonna tell this story and then we

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did another interview in November for

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this series and I remember Bob stole all

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that I work at walking out of the

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meeting with with Bob and saying gosh we

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could do a multi-part series this could

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be like five parts or something we end

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up doing two weeks each of the stories

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were you know typical news story even in

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those days hasn't been a half two

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minutes these stories were 12 13 14

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minutes long and it was the biggest

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highest-rated thing that's ever been on

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television Las Vegas so more context we

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ended up doing a two-week series part 6

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is where we're gonna reveal the identity

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of Bob

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so we're five parts into it setting it

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up history of area 51 and ufology and

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identity of this mysterious Dennis

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character and the whole world was trying

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to figure out who he was and that was

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the day that Bob's in the station and

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trying to grab the tape I've changed my

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mind cuz it now sorry where to who are

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too late into it I mean literally we

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were editing right up to the last minute

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and I am taking the tape down to the

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Edit Bay and I'm gonna run out to this

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studio and we started hustling for the

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tape and rustle a little bit and I know

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it's too late we're too late into it and

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the machine and then I went out on set

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there's a lot I want to cover today

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based on your question so let's

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rapid-fire go through them Bob do you

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feel that this movie accurately tells

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your story yeah it really does I mean I

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had a chance to kind of go through it

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and Jeremy assured me unlike George that

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it is at any point you know if there's

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something that I said was inaccurate I

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just said it had to be factually

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accurate it didn't matter if I like

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something or not it just as long as it

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was was true but yeah yeah there was it

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certainly told the story up to that part

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I mean there's a whole lot it didn't say

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but that's way too much to fit into her

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an hour and a half you know there's like

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two hours of bonus materials and I'm

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still releasing footage to clarify

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certain points but just to be very clear

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Bob gave me absolute access to his life

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was able to interview his mom you know

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his friends that all went through

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there's a lot of people that didn't go

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on camera couldn't go on camera on

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behalf of Bob because of whatever

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reasons they had so a lot of the

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information I gave you everything I

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could in the movie the only restriction

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because as I'm looking this you know I'm

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looking I got to be honest you got to

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look for holes I'm looking at Bob I'm

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looking at a story and he gave me

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complete access his archives of tapes go

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ahead and take him documents cell phone

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who do you want to call he was helpful

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in every way he could for me to help

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clarify his story the only thing he said

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was do not twist it more it's got to be

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accurate that's it and so hopefully we

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achieved that and you got a taste of

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that there's a lot more coming through

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the bonus material okay this is

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interesting one because we have command

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a flavor in the audience from real

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excited to speak with soon grateful that

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you're here commander Bob do you have

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any thoughts on the recently revealed

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UFO videos and program detailed by the

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New York Times so meaning I can give all

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the tick-tocking he knows craft you have

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any thoughts about your experiences and

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and now the acknowledgement of

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a reverse engineering program the

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attempt to reverse engineer propulsion

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system as far as how they're looking at

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it but more importantly the gimbal and

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the tick-tock the movements of those do

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you have any thoughts on that yeah very

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much so I mean they they move they

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behave I mean they act exactly like a

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gravity propelled craft would it's to me

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it's a very vindicating thing and

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speaking to commander flavor and looking

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at the tape and you can see the way you

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know a crap move as he mentioned the way

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it moves like a ping-pong ball and a cup

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and bouncing around something that

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doesn't have inertia I me a propulsion

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like this is not possible with our

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technology and probably won't be for a

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very long time but yeah these crafts

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seem to operate exactly like the craft

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that I worked on so it was I find that

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really fascinating I'm I'm anxious to

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talk to him some more about exactly what

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he saw that people are making that

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connection now because look in 1989

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George Knapp broke the story Bob

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government program attempting to

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reverse-engineer UFOs remember we had

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been told 1969 that all ended that has

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proven to be a lie by the Pentagon now

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by their own admission and thanks George

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for approving those videos were real

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through the right process so now through

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the lens of 30 years not only the

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reports of how these things move and the

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videos of how they move but we're living

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in an era where we now know the study of

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UFOs has been n is currently live and

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strong so we have to account for that

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when we look at what Bob has told you

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again Bob is just telling you his story

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take it or leave it

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it's better for him if you leave it

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because his life and his wife is great

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and he doesn't need more interruption

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but he thought it was important enough

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to untwist the knots over the years that

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have been twisted so that's what you get

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hopefully in the movie ok ok this is

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interesting what some some of these

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little obscure questions that Bob didn't

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cover in the film what is the history of

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the alien human interactions according

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to the briefing documents that you were

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able to read when you were there

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what is the history

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of the kind of human-alien thing like

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what did they tell you about the they

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didn't tell me anything I have to make a

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very big distinction between the

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information and technology I had

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hands-on and could verify and you know

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analyze and briefings that I read that

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had to do with other facets of the

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project which I can't I can't say if

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they were real I don't know why they

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would be other information I read in the

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briefings was accurate so but there was

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some information from other groups

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everything was split into so many

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different groups that some dealt with

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metallurgy some dealt with you know the

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origin of the craft and information was

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so compartmentalized we couldn't talk to

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the other groups which is a really

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ridiculous way to have science move

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forward you have to have communication

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so there the way the military handles

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stuff it just doesn't work with research

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but they were so concerned about you

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know somebody getting more information

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than they need they kept everything

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separate but in any case they alluded to

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the fact that there was there was some

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alien human interaction at some point

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but that they had been involved with us

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for a long time that's the allegation

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yeah went back it went back very far the

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craft had been here for like ten

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thousand years or something like that

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right you had mentioned before kind of

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new new information that you they were

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they gave you the impression that the

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craft that you worked on and the other

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ones were from some sort of

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archaeological that's the impression I

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had it was for more of an archeological

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archeological dig it wasn't like the

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aliens land and said here's one of our

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craft you know I think it's just

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something I don't know how he came

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across it but we did but they were they

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were very old I want to get into these

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specifics that for 30 years people have

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asked and Baba's explained to me but he

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just haven't explained to you so let's

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get into these little details you

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mentioned in the documentary that you

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have just mantled

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devices from another civilization what

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fasteners methods are used to hold it

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together screws clips whatever can you

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tell us about yeah this is something

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that fascinates me I mean back in back

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in the 80s there was no 3d printing so

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it was it was a complete mystery how

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this stuff was put together the craft

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itself there is not one single right

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angle anywhere and any part of it every

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single thing has a radius of curvature

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to it and I think in the 80s I said when

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talking with George it's as if somebody

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made a big model out of wax and then

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heated it just a little bit so it all

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melted and then let it cool and that's

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the way everything looked it had

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everything in a smooth interconnecting

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look to it there were no fasteners

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anywhere there were no seams anywhere

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and you know nowadays you think well if

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they had some gigantic 3d printer I

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guess you know using alien technology

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they could make it that way but I didn't

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even think of that back then it was just

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a mystery how it was but I mean was what

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was even more so of a mystery is that

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there's no wiring anywhere you know the

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components from you know a reactor that

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terminates tremendous amounts of power

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and the other sub components the

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amplifiers and the emitters there's

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nothing connecting up and when you

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remove them and move them away they

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still work it's it's unreal I mean it is

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absolute borderline magic so it's it's

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nothing that we're gonna you know

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duplicate me we're gonna add this to an

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f-16 or something it's it's gonna be a

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long time before we know what the hell's

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going on so George's said to me from the

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very beginning look if people don't want

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to believe Bob they're gonna find a

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thousand ways to discredit him because

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that's they don't want to believe you so

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go ahead however you're if you deny the

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evidence that we have then you're

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missing the picture and some of the

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greatest skeptics online you know tend

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to fixate on these little things in one

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question that's been like looming for 30

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years and Bob and I talked about it for

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like a minute and people are asking well

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how did you turn the reactor off Bob if

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the reactor is on

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and you're putting your hands to it

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there's a gravitational field right and

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you can't put chance how did you turn it

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on or off and that seems to be one of

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the things like the people that want to

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just not believe just bring up it's not

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even in like a nice way just asking a

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question so publicly just how did you

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turn the reactor on or off Bob

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are they implying that it can't be

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turned off or yes the implication is

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with the gravity field as described

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oh so we can't reach it okay that's

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that's not how you turn the reactor off

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you don't touch the reactor I mean there

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there are actually a lot of ways to do

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that but the way we most commonly turned

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it off is if you take one of the

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emitters and rotate it I don't know what

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the angle is I think it was like 80

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degrees or something but if you rotate

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it at the reactor shuts down so they

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it's kind of a load sensing reactor and

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rotating the emitter to that angle at

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magical angle whatever it was that's

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like a null position the reactor shuts

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down and that's how we turn it on and

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off but I mean there's there's not an

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on/off switch everything is very fluid

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and operates when you really don't think

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it will yeah so how has your life or

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business how has your life or business

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changed since the release of the movie

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besides the raid Bob yeah the the raid

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was not a good okay let's think about

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the goods your life or business change

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since the release of the movie or has it

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not a lot you know it's a very

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specialized business we sell scientific

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equipment and you know radioactive

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isotopes and chemicals it's not like the

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average person goes I need some

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strontium 90 and you know they're not

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gonna so it really did snot an increase

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in business although you gave me some of

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the extra movie posters you had and we

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put them on the website so we sold some

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of the posters but I mean by Bob's

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having a sale on strontium 90 that's

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right it's a no really it hasn't

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affected it at all I mean that's not any

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big degree I should say the effect that

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that I have seen is

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now in light of what is known publicly

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around the world about UFOs and about

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the projects that people are now not

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with their pitchforks in the audience

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that they want to hear okay maybe he is

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telling us the truth would they want to

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hear what you have to say and I think

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that's the biggest change you know Bob

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is not profiteering off of my film he

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wants me to succeed as a filmmaker he

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just wanted me to tell his story

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accurately I just want to make that

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clear because you know the hardest thing

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that I see is that people try to vilify

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or try to attack the messenger to

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dismiss the message and that's what I've

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seen and I think it's ridiculous but

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here we go next one small stature aside

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why else do you think they might have

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been called the kids remember they

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called they never said aliens they said

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they always said the kids yeah yeah yeah

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so why do you think they call them the

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kids that's just conjecture I mean at

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the hey it says small stature aside but

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that's the only thing I would grab on to

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was just because there were little

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creatures obviously but I don't know I

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don't know do you think that you are

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part of some sort of covert operation

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unbeknownst to you at the time so you

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know how people say you were there they

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showed you it like a movie set they

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faked stuff you know do you think you

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were part of a court no okay so how do

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you know how do you know that what they

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showed you wasn't faked and I it's

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important for people to hear well first

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of all the stuff that I had hands-on

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experience with it is impossible to fake

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things like that you cannot fake a force

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field you cannot fake time slowing down

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I mean these things are not possible at

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all and probably won't be for hundreds

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of years using our technology so that

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you know there's there's no doubt about

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the technology I was involved in was way

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way beyond what humans are capable of at

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this point the way the craft was

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assembled like I said you know the huge

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amounts of power moving around

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out enter connections and I mean this is

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beyond what Tesla would have ever

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dreamed of again these things are not

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possible so yeah a movies that that's

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ridiculous

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Bob has always made that distinction to

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me I was like how do you know the

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difference between you know the

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documents and he goes what I had

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hands-on is what I can tell you about

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you just said two things I want you to

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clarify forcefield

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and time just slowing down time or

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stopping times time dilation explain

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those the force field when we had the

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reactor fired up it was one of the

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things that Barry my coworker showed me

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and I think I mentioned that in the

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movie you put your he said put your try

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to put your hand on the sphere at the

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top and you couldn't it just pushed back

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it was like two like poles of a very

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large magnet and you know without having

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a metal hand it was it was an amazing

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feeling I mean I was I was really

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excited at that point I said oh my god

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it's a force field I mean this is this

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is awesome

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jumping over to the other question the

544
00:23:20,030 --> 00:23:16,380
time dilation when we had the reactor

545
00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:20,040
and the amplifier and emitters set up in

546
00:23:26,270 --> 00:23:23,130
the test bench we did a couple

547
00:23:29,210 --> 00:23:26,280
experiments and one of them was how we

548
00:23:31,370 --> 00:23:29,220
could get a watch to run at different

549
00:23:33,740 --> 00:23:31,380
speeds in the gravitational field so we

550
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:33,750
actually saw time dilation so it was

551
00:23:38,030 --> 00:23:36,450
really fascinating one of the things I

552
00:23:41,030 --> 00:23:38,040
had mentioned a long time ago to George

553
00:23:43,820 --> 00:23:41,040
he lit a candle and you can see the

554
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:43,830
flame stopped flickering but it's still

555
00:23:48,350 --> 00:23:46,770
a mitad light which it kind of shouldn't

556
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:48,360
have so I mean there are lots of

557
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:50,490
indications that some of our physics

558
00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:52,770
wasn't complete in explaining what was

559
00:23:57,980 --> 00:23:55,049
going on so that's why some of the stuff

560
00:24:01,120 --> 00:23:57,990
is so important that it be released to

561
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:01,130
the public but I just I don't know

562
00:24:05,930 --> 00:24:03,570
what's happened to this information or

563
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:05,940
the technology since I left the project

564
00:24:09,380 --> 00:24:07,890
you know Bob and I had discussed many

565
00:24:11,570 --> 00:24:09,390
times over the years

566
00:24:13,700 --> 00:24:11,580
could this be disinformation of some

567
00:24:15,890 --> 00:24:13,710
sort were you shown something and they

568
00:24:18,930 --> 00:24:15,900
assumed that eventually you'd spill the

569
00:24:20,790 --> 00:24:18,940
beans and it serves as a diversion

570
00:24:22,290 --> 00:24:20,800
or cover story for something else that's

571
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:22,300
going on out there that they wanted to

572
00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:24,490
divert attention away from something

573
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:26,110
else that was being tested a groom lake

574
00:24:29,850 --> 00:24:27,760
that was the first round of

575
00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:29,860
disinformation accusations sent our way

576
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:33,310
what would be I know yeah what would be

577
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:35,200
more classified than flying saucers

578
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:37,330
that's the person but the other thing is

579
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:39,730
if somebody did have an idea in mind

580
00:24:42,900 --> 00:24:41,290
that we're gonna put out this flying

581
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:42,910
saucer story then we're not gonna crush

582
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:45,730
him and crush his credibility and we'll

583
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:47,410
distract attention from something else

584
00:24:50,850 --> 00:24:48,880
out there that was kind of a miserable

585
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:50,860
failure because as a result of Bob's

586
00:24:55,710 --> 00:24:53,200
story every media organization of the

587
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:55,720
world be two paths area 51's door tens

588
00:24:59,580 --> 00:24:57,610
of thousands of people have gone out

589
00:25:02,070 --> 00:24:59,590
there with binoculars looking in the sky

590
00:25:04,410 --> 00:25:02,080
for whatever it is that's flying out

591
00:25:06,060 --> 00:25:04,420
there every 51 is a really legitimate

592
00:25:08,250 --> 00:25:06,070
national security sight the men and

593
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:08,260
women who toil and obscurity out there

594
00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:10,210
have helped us win the Cold War they've

595
00:25:14,250 --> 00:25:12,130
protected our country they do great and

596
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:14,260
important work and they don't I mean

597
00:25:18,330 --> 00:25:16,480
this is not a good thing to have so much

598
00:25:19,890 --> 00:25:18,340
attention focused on that facility it's

599
00:25:21,660 --> 00:25:19,900
still important they still do important

600
00:25:23,370 --> 00:25:21,670
work so if somebody came up with a plan

601
00:25:25,380 --> 00:25:23,380
let's put out a flying saucer story to

602
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:25,390
divert attention away from the ex

603
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:28,720
project man they they got sent to to

604
00:25:33,780 --> 00:25:30,850
Alaska or something and because that was

605
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:33,790
a really bad idea and again bob has

606
00:25:37,740 --> 00:25:35,290
always made a distinction between the

607
00:25:38,970 --> 00:25:37,750
technology that he had hands-on and the

608
00:25:42,530 --> 00:25:38,980
stuff that he read because some of that

609
00:25:44,550 --> 00:25:42,540
is pretty wild stuff and it fed into

610
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:44,560
narratives that were floating around in

611
00:25:48,330 --> 00:25:46,240
the UFO world at the time we'd met

612
00:25:49,740 --> 00:25:48,340
secret treaties with aliens and we've

613
00:25:52,170 --> 00:25:49,750
given them permission to abduct people

614
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:52,180
and they've genetically engineered us he

615
00:25:55,860 --> 00:25:53,890
doesn't know if that's true and he

616
00:25:58,050 --> 00:25:55,870
doesn't know exactly why he was shown

617
00:25:59,850 --> 00:25:58,060
that information and we've discussed it

618
00:26:02,100 --> 00:25:59,860
a bunch of times you know it's possible

619
00:26:04,650 --> 00:26:02,110
that maybe that was an added little

620
00:26:06,210 --> 00:26:04,660
bonus that they put in there just to fly

621
00:26:10,170 --> 00:26:06,220
it up the flagpole and see what happens

622
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:10,180
but big secrets can be kept big secrets

623
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:12,090
are kept that was one of the arguments

624
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:14,770
about us tackling this series back then

625
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:16,690
is that nothing this big could be kept

626
00:26:20,790 --> 00:26:19,090
secret well I will ask commander Faber

627
00:26:23,340 --> 00:26:20,800
about that later today whether big

628
00:26:26,550 --> 00:26:23,350
secrets can be kept because they can be

629
00:26:28,530 --> 00:26:26,560
you know 1969 Project Blue Book ended we

630
00:26:30,450 --> 00:26:28,540
didn't know until December 2017 or at

631
00:26:32,370 --> 00:26:30,460
least the public didn't know that they

632
00:26:34,740 --> 00:26:32,380
had an ongoing state you

633
00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:34,750
Oh study that it was going on that

634
00:26:37,980 --> 00:26:36,310
millions of dollars are being spent that

635
00:26:39,330 --> 00:26:37,990
a lot of people working on it and we've

636
00:26:41,460 --> 00:26:39,340
learned sense that there are other

637
00:26:43,140 --> 00:26:41,470
classified projects along the same line

638
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:43,150
that we still don't know the names of

639
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,530
when you don't know who's involved and

640
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:46,720
what their focus is so secrets can and

641
00:26:50,430 --> 00:26:48,970
are kept so I want to keep with your

642
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:50,440
questions to honor the fact that you

643
00:26:53,820 --> 00:26:51,520
wrote them I can't get through all of

644
00:26:56,610 --> 00:26:53,830
them but I do want to bring something up

645
00:27:00,120 --> 00:26:56,620
right now the raid the FBI raid there's

646
00:27:02,010 --> 00:27:00,130
recently released agency assist reports

647
00:27:03,870 --> 00:27:02,020
and I just want to tell you my

648
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:03,880
experience I make this film

649
00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:06,970
people accused me of fabricating the

650
00:27:13,260 --> 00:27:10,510
raid to dramatize my movie I made it up

651
00:27:16,110 --> 00:27:13,270
I dealt with that for months they said

652
00:27:17,970 --> 00:27:16,120
Bob's wife joy was this was the FBI

653
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:17,980
agent that you saw the photo of the back

654
00:27:22,980 --> 00:27:20,530
of I mean just crazy stuff so there I am

655
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:22,990
one day defending that I'm a documentary

656
00:27:28,020 --> 00:27:25,210
filmmaker I'm just I don't need to share

657
00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:28,030
it with you I'm trying to document and

658
00:27:32,550 --> 00:27:29,710
share with you what I'm experiencing and

659
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:32,560
seeing so there I am defending that next

660
00:27:38,220 --> 00:27:35,290
day a friend of mine he was able hours

661
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:38,230
before us to get a local agency assist

662
00:27:44,010 --> 00:27:40,960
report we were unable to get the FBI

663
00:27:46,140 --> 00:27:44,020
report Bob said there was a warrant you

664
00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:46,150
guys I saw it upside down but you know

665
00:27:49,740 --> 00:27:47,710
they didn't hand it to me and we're

666
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:49,750
thinking well we can't find it so we get

667
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:51,970
this agency assist report and then like

668
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:54,850
the next day I'm defending something

669
00:27:59,130 --> 00:27:56,770
else people are saying oh now it's

670
00:28:02,010 --> 00:27:59,140
prosaic it's just prosaic why there was

671
00:28:04,620 --> 00:28:02,020
so much law enforcement multiple agency

672
00:28:06,510 --> 00:28:04,630
wasn't the first time Bob that people

673
00:28:08,990 --> 00:28:06,520
came to Bob's place of business I said

674
00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:09,000
we were surveilled we have our own

675
00:28:13,890 --> 00:28:11,950
reasons to understand that the report

676
00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:13,900
comes out I thought there you go it

677
00:28:21,060 --> 00:28:17,710
proves what I said in my documentary it

678
00:28:23,550 --> 00:28:21,070
proves the scope the scale the forensic

679
00:28:27,660 --> 00:28:23,560
truck the surveillance and I'm like oh

680
00:28:30,660 --> 00:28:27,670
now I can relax on Twitter not the case

681
00:28:32,850 --> 00:28:30,670
it is my belief and Bob's and George's

682
00:28:34,650 --> 00:28:32,860
that they were there for 1:15 and we

683
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:34,660
have very specific reasons that I can't

684
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:36,490
prove yet to you but we have specific

685
00:28:42,660 --> 00:28:38,490
reasons to believe that's the case I

686
00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:42,670
want to hear from Bob what was the

687
00:28:50,130 --> 00:28:45,910
experience I want to hear your personal

688
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:50,140
experience it was swarmed with over 24

689
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:52,810
individuals who's from what I count but

690
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:55,120
to came up to out a door to came up to

691
00:28:59,240 --> 00:28:56,290
you with something in their hand they

692
00:29:03,660 --> 00:28:59,250
were coming in anyway were they looking

693
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:03,670
with hazmat teams no there's no hazmat

694
00:29:07,470 --> 00:29:05,650
okay so tell us tell us your experience

695
00:29:09,540 --> 00:29:07,480
though on this and I'll clarify later

696
00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:09,550
know when they first came in they gave

697
00:29:16,170 --> 00:29:12,310
me the cover story and yeah the place

698
00:29:17,970 --> 00:29:16,180
had 24 or so agents in there it was

699
00:29:19,470 --> 00:29:17,980
shoulder-to-shoulder you had to kind of

700
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:19,480
move around there were so many people in

701
00:29:23,910 --> 00:29:22,210
there and which already struck me as

702
00:29:26,220 --> 00:29:23,920
being weird as if you guys are just

703
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,230
looking for receipts

704
00:29:32,010 --> 00:29:28,240
what are you why did you bring everyone

705
00:29:33,540 --> 00:29:32,020
here and some of the other underlings

706
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:33,550
they brought with them just gave me some

707
00:29:37,290 --> 00:29:35,050
paperwork they said yeah we're looking

708
00:29:39,140 --> 00:29:37,300
for you know thallium metal and I said

709
00:29:41,790 --> 00:29:39,150
oh okay I'll get it gave him a little

710
00:29:43,170 --> 00:29:41,800
vial here of thallium metal and I said

711
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:43,180
is this what you guys have to set an

712
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:44,770
hour just you can put that away so I

713
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:47,290
went okay these guys are starting to

714
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:49,930
section off the building into cubic

715
00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:52,720
meters ioanna holy cow what are you

716
00:29:57,090 --> 00:29:55,510
doing they had everybody else working

717
00:29:59,730 --> 00:29:57,100
down below and then they took me

718
00:30:03,000 --> 00:29:59,740
upstairs we went up there then they had

719
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:03,010
the guys jump on the computers and tried

720
00:30:08,670 --> 00:30:05,130
to suck everything off of those and

721
00:30:11,820 --> 00:30:08,680
that's when they played me here you know

722
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:11,830
our conversation which was we were

723
00:30:16,890 --> 00:30:15,490
talking about is where the 115 was

724
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:16,900
hidden I want to get a little more

725
00:30:21,870 --> 00:30:19,210
specific about that the experience

726
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:21,880
though they said hey Bob they showed it

727
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:23,290
behind you to people and there and they

728
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:25,600
have a upside down obvious warrant from

729
00:30:29,940 --> 00:30:27,970
FB on Doug you know we have a couple of

730
00:30:32,730 --> 00:30:29,950
people coming can we come in so you're

731
00:30:35,070 --> 00:30:32,740
allowing in two people and then all of a

732
00:30:37,980 --> 00:30:35,080
sudden there's about 20 for forensic

733
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:37,990
collection agents truck multiple

734
00:30:42,690 --> 00:30:40,240
agencies the report the agency assist

735
00:30:44,970 --> 00:30:42,700
reports proves this it also says that

736
00:30:48,150 --> 00:30:44,980
there was a hazmat team you know and the

737
00:30:50,220 --> 00:30:48,160
whole suits hazmat and they cleared the

738
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:50,230
place to make sure that didn't happen

739
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:52,090
that didn't happen right so I talked

740
00:30:55,620 --> 00:30:53,440
with Zach about that too because in the

741
00:30:57,330 --> 00:30:55,630
film he just said has that because that

742
00:30:58,500 --> 00:30:57,340
was he just told me out there that's the

743
00:31:00,060 --> 00:30:58,510
word that came to his mind he goes but

744
00:31:02,159 --> 00:31:00,070
it wasn't like that

745
00:31:03,299 --> 00:31:02,169
from what my account that I've heard

746
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:03,309
from you and Zack

747
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:06,159
they appeared disinterested with this

748
00:31:10,859 --> 00:31:08,710
basic idea of toxic materials the whole

749
00:31:13,739 --> 00:31:10,869
thing was they wanted to talk to you

750
00:31:15,479 --> 00:31:13,749
upstairs is that correct yeah that's

751
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:15,489
that's correct they wanted to talk to me

752
00:31:20,249 --> 00:31:17,919
and the other guys all they wanted was a

753
00:31:22,049 --> 00:31:20,259
couple sheets of paper so they did say

754
00:31:25,109 --> 00:31:22,059
to you out the door we're looking for

755
00:31:26,219 --> 00:31:25,119
receipts and an order form from a client

756
00:31:27,180 --> 00:31:26,229
of yours that's what they told you in

757
00:31:30,029 --> 00:31:27,190
there well this is something that

758
00:31:31,769 --> 00:31:30,039
happened like two years ago right we had

759
00:31:34,619 --> 00:31:31,779
already been over all this so it was

760
00:31:37,469 --> 00:31:34,629
clearly just a cover story to come back

761
00:31:39,749 --> 00:31:37,479
in and have access to the property which

762
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:39,759
is which is our opinion based upon our

763
00:31:43,889 --> 00:31:41,200
experiences but I just wanted you to

764
00:31:46,859 --> 00:31:43,899
hear from Bob the agency assist report

765
00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:46,869
very odd it's very detailed and not only

766
00:31:51,899 --> 00:31:50,049
that Bob's experience of what happened

767
00:31:53,879 --> 00:31:51,909
doesn't jive with what you're reading

768
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:53,889
and that agency assist report in a lot

769
00:31:58,859 --> 00:31:55,570
of ways now that's a lot of that it's

770
00:32:00,299 --> 00:31:58,869
not is not true we are convinced beyond

771
00:32:03,089 --> 00:32:00,309
a shadow of a doubt that our

772
00:32:05,820 --> 00:32:03,099
conversation was taken in the woods at

773
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:05,830
his property oh and the the day before

774
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:08,080
but I just wanted you to hear from Bob

775
00:32:13,139 --> 00:32:10,809
his personal experience of that moment

776
00:32:14,729 --> 00:32:13,149
because every turn we make you know

777
00:32:16,289 --> 00:32:14,739
there's people that just they'll never

778
00:32:19,049 --> 00:32:16,299
believe and they look for anything to

779
00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:19,059
dismiss it or almost worse they just

780
00:32:23,399 --> 00:32:21,609
believe without thinking so well either

781
00:32:25,349 --> 00:32:23,409
way they're welcome to dismiss it and

782
00:32:26,609 --> 00:32:25,359
then they ask me less questions and

783
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:26,619
that's fine okay

784
00:32:32,399 --> 00:32:29,769
back to back to some details from the

785
00:32:36,029 --> 00:32:32,409
audience have you ever looked at s4 from

786
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:36,039
a satellite image could you identify it

787
00:32:40,289 --> 00:32:38,710
great question about s4 like could you

788
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:40,299
see it from a satellite image have you

789
00:32:45,479 --> 00:32:42,450
ever looked for it yeah a lot of times

790
00:32:49,139 --> 00:32:45,489
and I do like to make that distinction

791
00:32:51,479 --> 00:32:49,149
it is not area 51 it is as for area 51

792
00:32:53,460 --> 00:32:51,489
is to the north although a lot of people

793
00:32:55,859 --> 00:32:53,470
relate them together they say as far as

794
00:32:59,129 --> 00:32:55,869
part of the area 51 complex but that

795
00:33:01,379 --> 00:32:59,139
even that gets into some technicalities

796
00:33:03,570 --> 00:33:01,389
there's people say oh I know somebody

797
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:03,580
that worked up at area 51 there's no

798
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:05,529
flying saucers or anything like that up

799
00:33:11,549 --> 00:33:07,570
there and they're right there there

800
00:33:12,610 --> 00:33:11,559
isn't it's down at s4 there's only 22

801
00:33:15,460 --> 00:33:12,620
people when I were

802
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:15,470
there and as far as seeing it from the

803
00:33:19,930 --> 00:33:17,930
air yeah I've seen it many times there's

804
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:19,940
a lot of people have sent me emails

805
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:22,250
where they they think they see the

806
00:33:26,530 --> 00:33:24,650
hangar doors at the right angle and yeah

807
00:33:28,180 --> 00:33:26,540
you can see it on Google Earth it's it's

808
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:28,190
not obvious but you can see the road

809
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:30,890
that I drove to down from area 51 that's

810
00:33:36,580 --> 00:33:33,490
right flew into and took bus down and

811
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:36,590
yeah I can point it right out to you in

812
00:33:43,870 --> 00:33:41,600
fact you your buddy John Farhat hired

813
00:33:45,970 --> 00:33:43,880
some time on a Russian satellite to take

814
00:33:48,010 --> 00:33:45,980
a photo of an exact time that used to

815
00:33:49,810 --> 00:33:48,020
take a photo of Papoose Lake the

816
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:49,820
Americans wouldn't let him do it so he

817
00:33:58,660 --> 00:33:55,840
and he's and he's got the original

818
00:34:01,030 --> 00:33:58,670
negative and on that negative is a there

819
00:34:03,460 --> 00:34:01,040
and they posted it back in the day is is

820
00:34:05,290 --> 00:34:03,470
a circular metallic object hovering

821
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:05,300
right over the mountain range of pappus

822
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:08,240
have you guys seen that poster they made

823
00:34:12,369 --> 00:34:10,250
it into a poster yeah it's it's great I

824
00:34:14,649 --> 00:34:12,379
mean they hit it right on the nose it

825
00:34:16,419 --> 00:34:14,659
was awesome right when Bob told them

826
00:34:19,090 --> 00:34:16,429
they should shoot that shot from a

827
00:34:21,550 --> 00:34:19,100
satellite from Russia George Knapp has

828
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:21,560
said to me before a we've and this is

829
00:34:25,330 --> 00:34:22,879
something that a project I think we're

830
00:34:28,510 --> 00:34:25,340
gonna do together we've learned more

831
00:34:30,909 --> 00:34:28,520
about the US UFO programs from Russia

832
00:34:32,830 --> 00:34:30,919
than we have from the US and I think

833
00:34:35,110 --> 00:34:32,840
that's specifically because George took

834
00:34:38,350 --> 00:34:35,120
a trip during glass nose at Paris troika

835
00:34:40,659 --> 00:34:38,360
and came out with some documents from

836
00:34:42,909 --> 00:34:40,669
the UFO program in Russia which the

837
00:34:46,419 --> 00:34:42,919
world has yet to truly be able to see

838
00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:46,429
and I think we're gonna coming up soon

839
00:34:53,050 --> 00:34:50,270
next project George over my dead body

840
00:34:56,139 --> 00:34:53,060
oh yes yeah we'll do that project

841
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,149
sometime yeah it he's not exaggerating

842
00:35:00,250 --> 00:34:58,160
I went went to Russia I had a unique

843
00:35:01,780 --> 00:35:00,260
opportunity in the early 90s when the

844
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,790
you know they were trying to open up to

845
00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:03,520
the world they were experimenting with

846
00:35:08,410 --> 00:35:05,950
capitalism and democracy glasnost

847
00:35:10,570 --> 00:35:08,420
perestroika I read in New York Times

848
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,580
that the KGB had opened up the Lee

849
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:12,560
Harvey Oswald file and I thought this

850
00:35:16,810 --> 00:35:13,910
might be the time to go and see if we

851
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:16,820
could get the UFO files so we did we

852
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:19,310
worked on it we had a Russian physicist

853
00:35:23,590 --> 00:35:21,890
who had been a national security adviser

854
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:23,600
to the Russian parliament and to Boris

855
00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:24,850
Yeltsin and we

856
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:27,310
and him he had been in the United States

857
00:35:32,190 --> 00:35:29,710
a lecturing on nuclear disarmament at

858
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:32,200
our National Laboratories had nothing to

859
00:35:35,970 --> 00:35:34,240
do when he went back so we hired company

860
00:35:38,370 --> 00:35:35,980
I was working for him and set him up and

861
00:35:39,950 --> 00:35:38,380
said go find people who were in a

862
00:35:42,810 --> 00:35:39,960
position to know about the Russian UFO

863
00:35:46,050 --> 00:35:42,820
studies who have never spoken to

864
00:35:47,610 --> 00:35:46,060
journalists Western or otherwise and let

865
00:35:49,740 --> 00:35:47,620
us know and it took him eight months and

866
00:35:51,930 --> 00:35:49,750
he set it up and I went in 93 to Russia

867
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:51,940
and I met a guy named Colonel Boris a

868
00:35:56,370 --> 00:35:54,370
calab Ministry of Defense who had been

869
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:56,380
in charge of this Russian program it was

870
00:36:02,430 --> 00:35:59,440
the largest UFO study probably in in

871
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:02,440
history and for ten years the every unit

872
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:04,510
in the vast Soviet military empire at

873
00:36:09,420 --> 00:36:06,730
the time that was ordered to every

874
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:09,430
anomalous aircraft or ball of light or

875
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:12,730
UFO or strange object in the sky when

876
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:14,320
you get those reports from military

877
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,690
personnel fully investigated get

878
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:18,640
pictures get witness statements put it

879
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:20,320
all together and send it to one central

880
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:22,570
location and they did and we were able

881
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:25,210
to acquire a lot of that information and

882
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:27,520
interview Colonel Sokolov and basically

883
00:36:31,140 --> 00:36:29,290
he said they were doing the same thing

884
00:36:33,290 --> 00:36:31,150
we're trying to do he said we're we know

885
00:36:35,580 --> 00:36:33,300
that these crafts haven't capabilities

886
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:35,590
beyond anything that we've got and we

887
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:37,510
wanted to study this to figure it out so

888
00:36:42,090 --> 00:36:39,970
we could gain an advantage over the u.s.

889
00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:42,100
in terms of stealth capabilities we

890
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:43,420
wanted to figure out the technology

891
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:45,610
which as it turns out is the same thing

892
00:36:54,330 --> 00:36:47,200
we've been doing you know trying to

893
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:54,340
figure it out to be continued Bob back

894
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:57,520
in 1989 when you were terrified and I

895
00:37:00,750 --> 00:36:58,960
just released a new video on my youtube

896
00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:00,760
talking about that time when you were

897
00:37:05,340 --> 00:37:01,510
scared

898
00:37:07,110 --> 00:37:05,350
you took friends multiple groups three

899
00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:07,120
Wednesday's in a row you said guys

900
00:37:12,750 --> 00:37:09,820
things are really complicated for me

901
00:37:14,820 --> 00:37:12,760
it's one thing to tell you it's another

902
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:14,830
thing to show you there's this little

903
00:37:19,140 --> 00:37:16,930
place called Papoose Lake it's not area

904
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:19,150
51 it's south there this obscure

905
00:37:23,580 --> 00:37:21,250
mountain range there's a test flight and

906
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:23,590
I know when it happens and I'm gonna I'm

907
00:37:27,930 --> 00:37:24,640
gonna show you and you brought friends

908
00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:27,940
out there and you showed them those test

909
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:29,710
flights as proof to your friends because

910
00:37:32,730 --> 00:37:30,880
you said to me it's one thing telling

911
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,740
someone it's another thing showing

912
00:37:37,650 --> 00:37:34,720
someone right well working there I had

913
00:37:38,850 --> 00:37:37,660
to test flight schedule so that's when I

914
00:37:40,860 --> 00:37:38,860
took it

915
00:37:43,980 --> 00:37:40,870
I mean the majority and my friends at

916
00:37:46,140 --> 00:37:43,990
that time we went out there and you know

917
00:37:48,540 --> 00:37:46,150
the craft came up you know over the

918
00:37:51,420 --> 00:37:48,550
mountain range at the time I indicated

919
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:51,430
and you know clearly everybody was

920
00:37:57,660 --> 00:37:55,210
amazed we watched it you know do some

921
00:37:59,220 --> 00:37:57,670
amazing maneuvers since we got away with

922
00:38:02,430 --> 00:37:59,230
it you know we did it a couple more

923
00:38:07,050 --> 00:38:02,440
times you know and right up until we got

924
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:07,060
caught so and George and I have talked

925
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:08,800
with I think everybody now that was in

926
00:38:13,110 --> 00:38:10,810
those sightings and they don't agree on

927
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:13,120
most things in life they do agree on one

928
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:15,850
thing that bob was right he took him out

929
00:38:20,670 --> 00:38:18,400
there and what he showed them they had

930
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:20,680
never seen anything before like that or

931
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:25,690
sense so they also filmed it and there

932
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:28,240
there's a it's an old 80's camera not

933
00:38:32,070 --> 00:38:29,920
like our iPhones be even iPhones you

934
00:38:33,570 --> 00:38:32,080
pointed at dark you get a light however

935
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:33,580
there's a gentleman in the audience that

936
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:36,910
did some incredible analysis of Bob's

937
00:38:42,270 --> 00:38:39,490
original footage of the flying saucer

938
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:42,280
coming up over Papoose Lake with the new

939
00:38:45,810 --> 00:38:44,410
software and analytics that he did it's

940
00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:45,820
it's pretty incredible and he had a

941
00:38:53,010 --> 00:38:49,510
question why does the shape of the craft

942
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:53,020
in your video change from frame to frame

943
00:38:59,940 --> 00:38:56,530
so radically are we seeing localized

944
00:39:01,890 --> 00:38:59,950
gravity lensing yeah that's exactly what

945
00:39:04,140 --> 00:39:01,900
you're saying because remember there's

946
00:39:05,730 --> 00:39:04,150
three emitters in that craft each

947
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:05,740
emitter is producing its own

948
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:09,090
gravitational field out of it and

949
00:39:15,420 --> 00:39:12,850
gravity bends light so it's just like

950
00:39:17,070 --> 00:39:15,430
taking a prism or cut glass ball and

951
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:17,080
rotating it and you'll see different

952
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:19,570
facets of light so the same thing

953
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:21,760
happens as the craft move around and you

954
00:39:25,470 --> 00:39:23,890
see through one gravitational field to

955
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:25,480
the next the crafts going to look

956
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:27,370
different so it looks like it's jumping

957
00:39:34,580 --> 00:39:29,440
around or flickering and and that's

958
00:39:39,150 --> 00:39:36,690
you're probably familiar with the M

959
00:39:42,270 --> 00:39:39,160
drive which is that a propulsion device

960
00:39:44,130 --> 00:39:42,280
do you think this technology the emdrive

961
00:39:46,530 --> 00:39:44,140
I'm sorry okay emdrive

962
00:39:50,670 --> 00:39:46,540
do you think this technology is close to

963
00:39:52,410 --> 00:39:50,680
breaking the barrier for space travel no

964
00:39:56,370 --> 00:39:52,420
it's useful but I

965
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:56,380
I am not that impressed with it I'm

966
00:40:00,839 --> 00:39:58,960
sorry you know it's the hardest things

967
00:40:03,269 --> 00:40:00,849
that I was asked I said Bob Bob look

968
00:40:06,779 --> 00:40:03,279
after all this time you know they've

969
00:40:08,849 --> 00:40:06,789
proven element 115 was fabricated he

970
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:08,859
looked at me as like yeah of course in

971
00:40:12,450 --> 00:40:10,510
his journal but not the stable version I

972
00:40:14,099 --> 00:40:12,460
talked about there's you know dozens if

973
00:40:16,140 --> 00:40:14,109
not hundreds of isotopes or whatever he

974
00:40:18,269 --> 00:40:16,150
said he was unimpressed with the

975
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:18,279
fabrication you know even though they

976
00:40:22,829 --> 00:40:20,079
called him when they were doing the

977
00:40:24,509 --> 00:40:22,839
experiments at fabrication you know a

978
00:40:27,329 --> 00:40:24,519
particle accelerator he was unimpressed

979
00:40:30,359 --> 00:40:27,339
the next one I go Bob they just came out

980
00:40:32,460 --> 00:40:30,369
gravity is a wave you're vindicated it's

981
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:32,470
a wave it's not just a graviton like you

982
00:40:36,329 --> 00:40:34,690
said he goes well Jeremy you know you

983
00:40:40,049 --> 00:40:36,339
think about it I had fifty fifty percent

984
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:40,059
chance of being right so it's hard to

985
00:40:43,980 --> 00:40:42,010
impress Bob but he's a very skeptical

986
00:40:47,029 --> 00:40:43,990
dude so I think the most pressing

987
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:47,039
question I saw on all of these cards Bob

988
00:40:58,019 --> 00:40:52,000
what is your favorite pastime that's

989
00:41:00,210 --> 00:40:58,029
actually tough to say I don't know

990
00:41:01,980 --> 00:41:00,220
that's that's a stumper there I can tell

991
00:41:03,809 --> 00:41:01,990
you it's making laser beams and shooting

992
00:41:06,359 --> 00:41:03,819
off rockets come on yep I mean probably

993
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:06,369
building weird things I guess would be a

994
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:10,480
pastime blowing stuff up comes to mind

995
00:41:16,349 --> 00:41:13,210
well I fire a technic so I've been yeah

996
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:16,359
I I've done pyrotechnics since I was 12

997
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:19,599
so probably probably that or any kind of

998
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:22,450
technical thing I love building stuff so

999
00:41:29,549 --> 00:41:27,490
I hired to say I I really enjoyed the

1000
00:41:31,259 --> 00:41:29,559
making of the film because the breaks of

1001
00:41:34,140 --> 00:41:31,269
our film were usually blowing things up

1002
00:41:35,789 --> 00:41:34,150
our building lasers or hearing Bob you

1003
00:41:37,380 --> 00:41:35,799
know talk on the phone - you know

1004
00:41:38,970 --> 00:41:37,390
physicist from universities or

1005
00:41:41,370 --> 00:41:38,980
government labs that are asking him

1006
00:41:43,230 --> 00:41:41,380
about you know the the atomic weight of

1007
00:41:44,579 --> 00:41:43,240
you know certain isotopes however

1008
00:41:46,829 --> 00:41:44,589
they're explaining it was above my head

1009
00:41:50,430 --> 00:41:46,839
but just hearing you do your thing my

1010
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:50,440
goal in my film it was not to prove Bob

1011
00:41:55,170 --> 00:41:52,450
story Bob said from the very beginning I

1012
00:41:57,509 --> 00:41:55,180
I don't have everything to prove to you

1013
00:42:00,180 --> 00:41:57,519
my story that's not why I'm telling you

1014
00:42:03,089 --> 00:42:00,190
I'm telling you to save my own skin and

1015
00:42:04,660 --> 00:42:03,099
I'm also telling you because he believes

1016
00:42:07,059 --> 00:42:04,670
you have a right to know

1017
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:07,069
take it or leave it he's always been

1018
00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:10,400
like that however however the movie

1019
00:42:14,349 --> 00:42:12,440
after 30 years it's really hard to

1020
00:42:16,569 --> 00:42:14,359
ignore some of the evidence but most

1021
00:42:18,910 --> 00:42:16,579
importantly what I hope you got from my

1022
00:42:21,279 --> 00:42:18,920
film is what I got what I personally got

1023
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:21,289
getting to know Bob and George told me

1024
00:42:25,329 --> 00:42:23,210
this from day one when he challenged me

1025
00:42:27,940 --> 00:42:25,339
in 2012 to try to get you know the

1026
00:42:30,460 --> 00:42:27,950
Bigfoot of ufology the Elvis born again

1027
00:42:32,799 --> 00:42:30,470
on camera The Reluctant UFO Messiah on

1028
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:32,809
camera when George challenged me to just

1029
00:42:36,339 --> 00:42:35,210
show you who Bob is to humanize him to

1030
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:36,349
show you his daily life

1031
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:39,170
the big question we're all sitting here

1032
00:42:46,329 --> 00:42:42,170
with is he's telling you a story is he

1033
00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:46,339
worthy of your trust that no I that's

1034
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:48,140
the question that really is the question

1035
00:42:51,970 --> 00:42:50,329
if we can't prove it definitively it's

1036
00:42:53,769 --> 00:42:51,980
telling your story you have to decide is

1037
00:42:55,509 --> 00:42:53,779
he worthy of your trust and and the

1038
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,519
world has changed now and I think I

1039
00:42:59,289 --> 00:42:57,680
would love to hear from George we are

1040
00:43:01,599 --> 00:42:59,299
living in a different world now we're

1041
00:43:04,089 --> 00:43:01,609
living in a world where we're it is now

1042
00:43:06,130 --> 00:43:04,099
admitted there are unknown craft of

1043
00:43:08,140 --> 00:43:06,140
unknown origin flying in our airspace

1044
00:43:10,809 --> 00:43:08,150
with impunity and an increased frequency

1045
00:43:12,190 --> 00:43:10,819
in our own government is not only

1046
00:43:15,819 --> 00:43:12,200
interested now but has been for a long

1047
00:43:18,490 --> 00:43:15,829
time proven so George can you just touch

1048
00:43:20,140 --> 00:43:18,500
upon Bob's story and that well it's a

1049
00:43:21,970 --> 00:43:20,150
really exciting time and things are

1050
00:43:23,799 --> 00:43:21,980
starting to move so fast I mean two

1051
00:43:26,650 --> 00:43:23,809
weeks ago the US Navy comes out with an

1052
00:43:28,299 --> 00:43:26,660
announcement just is astonishing to say

1053
00:43:31,690 --> 00:43:28,309
we're gonna try to make it easier for

1054
00:43:33,819 --> 00:43:31,700
our pilots to report UFOs these

1055
00:43:37,089 --> 00:43:33,829
encounters are increasing there there

1056
00:43:39,579 --> 00:43:37,099
are dangers to aviation there are

1057
00:43:41,230 --> 00:43:39,589
legitimate concerns legitimate reasons

1058
00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:41,240
why we need to start making it easier

1059
00:43:45,220 --> 00:43:43,250
for pilots to talk about it that would

1060
00:43:47,049 --> 00:43:45,230
be unthinkable months ago I think

1061
00:43:49,329 --> 00:43:47,059
commander flavor who we're gonna hear

1062
00:43:53,470 --> 00:43:49,339
from later today probably had a big role

1063
00:43:54,819 --> 00:43:53,480
in that happening in speaking to people

1064
00:43:56,380 --> 00:43:54,829
in Washington and letting them know this

1065
00:43:58,180 --> 00:43:56,390
is going on and the fact that these

1066
00:43:59,980 --> 00:43:58,190
reports keep coming in that there are a

1067
00:44:01,990 --> 00:43:59,990
lot of them that keep coming in now

1068
00:44:04,569 --> 00:44:02,000
dramatic sort of encounters and and

1069
00:44:06,730 --> 00:44:04,579
things that are undeniable and the fact

1070
00:44:10,749 --> 00:44:06,740
that you know we've we've learned a lot

1071
00:44:13,749 --> 00:44:10,759
about a tip and all SAP and you know

1072
00:44:15,460 --> 00:44:13,759
things that that I had been allowed to

1073
00:44:15,980 --> 00:44:15,470
know about but couldn't report for a

1074
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:15,990
long time

1075
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:18,510
is spilling out there's so much more

1076
00:44:22,579 --> 00:44:20,460
that's still to come there's there's so

1077
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:22,589
much more to still to come and I don't

1078
00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:25,170
know how much of it and how soon but

1079
00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:27,089
it's coming you know and and the fact

1080
00:44:32,839 --> 00:44:29,940
that it it's synchronized with Bob story

1081
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:32,849
and coming full circle 30 years ago he

1082
00:44:38,690 --> 00:44:36,240
comes forward and now Jeremy's film is

1083
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:38,700
out and and and all at the same time all

1084
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,170
these news events are happening where

1085
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,720
the doors are opening up a little bit I

1086
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:44,400
mean they're not wide open but they're

1087
00:44:48,260 --> 00:44:46,290
opening up quite a bit and it's an

1088
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:48,270
exciting time I don't know if it's

1089
00:44:53,150 --> 00:44:50,250
vindication I never felt like we needed

1090
00:44:57,890 --> 00:44:53,160
to be vindicated but yeah it kind of

1091
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:57,900
feels that way so I want to hit a couple

1092
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:00,480
things too you know bob has always said

1093
00:45:04,370 --> 00:45:02,010
to me like in private he goes look

1094
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:04,380
Jeremy I I'm explaining to you the best

1095
00:45:09,230 --> 00:45:07,890
I understood in alien technology I'm

1096
00:45:11,390 --> 00:45:09,240
explaining to you the best it was

1097
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:11,400
described to me and what I saw you know

1098
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:13,290
I don't have all the answers I'm sorry

1099
00:45:18,109 --> 00:45:15,450
but I can tell you what I saw what I

1100
00:45:19,490 --> 00:45:18,119
think and one of the things that was

1101
00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:19,500
always really touchy and I just want to

1102
00:45:27,470 --> 00:45:25,260
be straight you know did element 115 was

1103
00:45:29,870 --> 00:45:27,480
the known fuel source for the

1104
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:29,880
extraterrestrial craft that you worked

1105
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:34,530
on at one time in 1989 you said that you

1106
00:45:38,990 --> 00:45:37,050
got a piece of element 115 out of Los

1107
00:45:41,060 --> 00:45:39,000
Alamos where as being machined under the

1108
00:45:43,940 --> 00:45:41,070
codename la 1000 you say that in my

1109
00:45:49,540 --> 00:45:43,950
movie you did have a piece of 115 at one

1110
00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:52,640
well what where are you going with this

1111
00:45:58,850 --> 00:45:55,260
well I I'm just I'm just saying the the

1112
00:46:01,370 --> 00:45:58,860
element 115 was the key it is the thing

1113
00:46:02,750 --> 00:46:01,380
that generated that it's the fuel for

1114
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:02,760
the craft if you want to look at that

1115
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:05,250
way yeah and it has unique properties oh

1116
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:06,330
absolutely

1117
00:46:10,690 --> 00:46:08,010
can you explain the unique properties of

1118
00:46:14,300 --> 00:46:10,700
element 115 so that everybody really

1119
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:14,310
grasps it the way I feel it we were in a

1120
00:46:19,970 --> 00:46:16,050
hundred percent sure how it how it

1121
00:46:22,580 --> 00:46:19,980
worked because you just can't cut open

1122
00:46:26,810 --> 00:46:22,590
the reactor to find out what's going on

1123
00:46:29,450 --> 00:46:26,820
but it looked like the 115 is bombarded

1124
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:29,460
with radiation and in Purdue and it

1125
00:46:34,430 --> 00:46:32,310
produces a stronger gravitational field

1126
00:46:38,450 --> 00:46:34,440
now the rest of the equipment in the

1127
00:46:40,370 --> 00:46:38,460
craft the reactor it takes that that

1128
00:46:41,150 --> 00:46:40,380
wave that gravitational wave that comes

1129
00:46:43,970 --> 00:46:41,160
off of it

1130
00:46:46,340 --> 00:46:43,980
it routes it throughout the craft in a

1131
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:46,350
conduit just like microwaves and through

1132
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:48,720
the skin of the craft it takes that and

1133
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:50,730
funnels it down through the amplifiers

1134
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:53,010
and then to the emitters so it seems to

1135
00:46:59,420 --> 00:46:55,970
behave a lot like microwaves do which

1136
00:47:02,450 --> 00:46:59,430
propagate through tuned channels but it

1137
00:47:04,340 --> 00:47:02,460
all came back to one little triangle of

1138
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:04,350
115 that was the center of the whole

1139
00:47:10,420 --> 00:47:07,770
craft and no I mean we don't know

1140
00:47:14,030 --> 00:47:10,430
everything about it I'm not sure I could

1141
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:14,040
duplicate me a piece of 115 I'm I'm not

1142
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:15,810
sure I could do much with it I could

1143
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:18,450
probably make it explode but I don't

1144
00:47:23,930 --> 00:47:20,040
think I I'm not sure I can make it

1145
00:47:25,730 --> 00:47:23,940
propel anything but you know a lot of it

1146
00:47:27,830 --> 00:47:25,740
was was guesswork - we were just trying

1147
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:27,840
to do our best educated guesses to come

1148
00:47:34,310 --> 00:47:31,200
up with how this worked and you know our

1149
00:47:36,980 --> 00:47:34,320
number one aim was to see if we could

1150
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:36,990
duplicate this technology with what we

1151
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,110
had at hand and you know clear across

1152
00:47:45,950 --> 00:47:42,480
the board the answer was no all the time

1153
00:47:49,010 --> 00:47:45,960
so we're talking about a stabilized form

1154
00:47:51,710 --> 00:47:49,020
of element 115 so for example I learned

1155
00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:51,720
this it's not well casing stabilized it

1156
00:47:56,270 --> 00:47:53,310
means you take something I mean you're

1157
00:47:57,950 --> 00:47:56,280
let me clarify so those I learned this

1158
00:48:00,320 --> 00:47:57,960
from Bob and I can hopefully translate

1159
00:48:01,090 --> 00:48:00,330
to you so for example there are 37

1160
00:48:05,890 --> 00:48:01,100
different

1161
00:48:08,890 --> 00:48:05,900
isotopes for gold one is stable it's

1162
00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:08,900
what's on your ring right mr.

1163
00:48:14,620 --> 00:48:12,310
radioactive and yeah decay so the

1164
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:14,630
versions that have been fabricated by

1165
00:48:17,950 --> 00:48:16,160
slamming particles in a particle

1166
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:17,960
accelerator and getting maybe four atoms

1167
00:48:21,310 --> 00:48:19,610
at about a million bucks apiece that

1168
00:48:23,890 --> 00:48:21,320
last for two hundred twenty milliseconds

1169
00:48:27,370 --> 00:48:23,900
we're talking about one or two different

1170
00:48:30,190 --> 00:48:27,380
isotopic combinations where there could

1171
00:48:32,410 --> 00:48:30,200
be many many more combinations in fact

1172
00:48:34,690 --> 00:48:32,420
it's predicted by science that there's

1173
00:48:37,540 --> 00:48:34,700
an island of stability right in that

1174
00:48:40,300 --> 00:48:37,550
sweet spot for 115 so what you're

1175
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:40,310
talking about is stable physical element

1176
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:44,450
115 220 something grams there was highly

1177
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:46,310
machined that were used in these craft

1178
00:48:50,590 --> 00:48:48,170
is that correct that's correct look you

1179
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:50,600
know say you were trying to use gold as

1180
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:53,570
your as your example I mean say you were

1181
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:56,240
just trying to fabricate gold you know

1182
00:49:00,520 --> 00:48:58,400
just from atoms I mean would you say

1183
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:00,530
there were 37 isotopes or something like

1184
00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:04,130
that look you only have a 1 in 37 chance

1185
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:07,910
of making it so most likely you're gonna

1186
00:49:14,830 --> 00:49:11,690
make unstable isotope after unstable

1187
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:14,840
isotope until you know one day you fall

1188
00:49:21,610 --> 00:49:18,050
upon the combination that results in a

1189
00:49:23,950 --> 00:49:21,620
stable isotope so yeah they just began

1190
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:23,960
playing with 115 and just the fact that

1191
00:49:29,950 --> 00:49:26,720
they made you know four atoms of it on

1192
00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:29,960
their first try and it was unstable you

1193
00:49:34,660 --> 00:49:32,510
know that really doesn't tell any story

1194
00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:34,670
you have you've got a long way to go

1195
00:49:39,340 --> 00:49:37,250
before you figure out every combination

1196
00:49:42,490 --> 00:49:39,350
and if one of them is stable

1197
00:49:44,260 --> 00:49:42,500
you'd said back then that you didn't

1198
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:44,270
think we'd ever be able to make it it

1199
00:49:48,250 --> 00:49:46,010
would be too expensive take too much

1200
00:49:50,890 --> 00:49:48,260
energy to make a stable version that you

1201
00:49:53,170 --> 00:49:50,900
thought and it had to be natural

1202
00:49:55,810 --> 00:49:53,180
wherever we acquired it it was a perform

1203
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:55,820
pretty snazzy supernova double star

1204
00:50:00,070 --> 00:49:57,650
something like that well I stick by that

1205
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:00,080
when I say we can't produce it I mean a

1206
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:03,890
usable quantity for atoms is not not

1207
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:06,290
visible not useful it it's nothing I

1208
00:50:11,530 --> 00:50:08,690
mean to make to make a gram of it is

1209
00:50:13,230 --> 00:50:11,540
still impossible even the version that

1210
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:13,240
they made so

1211
00:50:17,340 --> 00:50:14,890
yeah that's the amount of energy and

1212
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:17,350
time it takes sitting there plugging

1213
00:50:24,090 --> 00:50:20,530
neutrons in is a time consuming

1214
00:50:26,850 --> 00:50:24,100
expensive task so you were told that

1215
00:50:30,090 --> 00:50:26,860
there we had a stockpile of 500 pounds

1216
00:50:32,670 --> 00:50:30,100
of element 115 however in your hand or

1217
00:50:34,530 --> 00:50:32,680
you were able to work with about 200 28

1218
00:50:37,650 --> 00:50:34,540
grams highly machined in this triangular

1219
00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:37,660
formation so you physically saw was it 2

1220
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:40,390
2000 it was 23 it was 220 something I

1221
00:50:43,620 --> 00:50:41,890
said because I was even I can't remember

1222
00:50:46,980 --> 00:50:43,630
but yeah that's all I have

1223
00:50:49,230 --> 00:50:46,990
okay but even that amount that couldn't

1224
00:50:51,810 --> 00:50:49,240
have been made by any human technology

1225
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:51,820
oh hell no not even with an hour

1226
00:50:56,070 --> 00:50:54,010
supernova do we think we could I mean it

1227
00:50:58,620 --> 00:50:56,080
had to become as cargo from somewhere

1228
00:51:01,440 --> 00:50:58,630
else is that correct well I mean you

1229
00:51:05,580 --> 00:51:01,450
don't know there might be advanced ways

1230
00:51:08,610 --> 00:51:05,590
of you know arranging atoms and

1231
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:08,620
fabricating you know elements on it on a

1232
00:51:12,780 --> 00:51:10,330
gigantic scale that we haven't even

1233
00:51:15,930 --> 00:51:12,790
conceived about so the only way I know

1234
00:51:18,060 --> 00:51:15,940
of is you know the energies required and

1235
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:18,070
pressures and temperatures you know as

1236
00:51:23,970 --> 00:51:21,730
some you know gigantic natural you know

1237
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:23,980
foundry like guy you know a neutron star

1238
00:51:29,610 --> 00:51:26,530
or exploding supernova something along

1239
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:29,620
those lines but I don't know look at the

1240
00:51:34,050 --> 00:51:31,810
technology that these guys have I mean

1241
00:51:36,540 --> 00:51:34,060
they nothing said and since they can

1242
00:51:38,850 --> 00:51:36,550
control gravity and they have force

1243
00:51:40,590 --> 00:51:38,860
fields and things I mean they might have

1244
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:40,600
a machine that can crank this stuff out

1245
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:42,640
you know like we make plastic but my

1246
00:51:50,610 --> 00:51:45,850
point is humans did humans can humans

1247
00:51:54,420 --> 00:51:50,620
cannot no did not cannot no no not at

1248
00:51:56,820 --> 00:51:54,430
all if humans can't fabricate this and

1249
00:51:59,820 --> 00:51:56,830
you were told this story what's so

1250
00:52:03,360 --> 00:51:59,830
interesting to me is you the first time

1251
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:03,370
you go to site four and by the way site

1252
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:05,050
for it's not toxic you're not going to

1253
00:52:08,430 --> 00:52:06,610
die of cancer just being there people

1254
00:52:09,690 --> 00:52:08,440
try to debunk bob story being you can't

1255
00:52:10,620 --> 00:52:09,700
step foot on there too much radiation

1256
00:52:12,750 --> 00:52:10,630
you're gonna die

1257
00:52:16,620 --> 00:52:12,760
I've talked to two employees of area 51

1258
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:16,630
who have gone on Papoose for extended

1259
00:52:19,890 --> 00:52:18,730
periods of time and they are not sick so

1260
00:52:22,190 --> 00:52:19,900
that's another thing people try to

1261
00:52:25,930 --> 00:52:22,200
debunk with actually one was stopped by

1262
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:25,940
civilian contractor EG&G

1263
00:52:29,890 --> 00:52:27,770
curity and he was a Navy guy and kind of

1264
00:52:31,780 --> 00:52:29,900
pissed about it and they stopped him if

1265
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:31,790
so if there's no if there's no facility

1266
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:33,770
there I'm not sure why he got stopped

1267
00:52:38,140 --> 00:52:35,599
but I got him on record and I will be

1268
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:38,150
able to release that later one of the

1269
00:52:41,579 --> 00:52:39,440
things about your story that I find

1270
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:41,589
really interesting your account of it

1271
00:52:46,030 --> 00:52:43,849
Bob didn't believe this was

1272
00:52:48,609 --> 00:52:46,040
extraterrestrial his friends that knew

1273
00:52:50,109 --> 00:52:48,619
him before that I've spoke with said

1274
00:52:51,940 --> 00:52:50,119
that Bob felt bad for people that

1275
00:52:54,970 --> 00:52:51,950
believed in UFOs you know they got to be

1276
00:52:57,250 --> 00:52:54,980
crazy yeah so that's who he was before

1277
00:52:59,740 --> 00:52:57,260
the first time and I want you to tell us

1278
00:53:02,230 --> 00:52:59,750
this feeling the first time he saw the

1279
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:02,240
craft and the hanger he ran his hand

1280
00:53:08,020 --> 00:53:05,210
along it was supposed to touch it and he

1281
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:08,030
thought wow everybody that saw five

1282
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:10,970
saucers it was us it was America that's

1283
00:53:17,020 --> 00:53:13,510
what he thought but I thought that was

1284
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:17,030
the first time I saw it when they let me

1285
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:19,490
in through the hangar I thought oh I

1286
00:53:25,450 --> 00:53:21,770
mean this is the new advanced fighter

1287
00:53:29,260 --> 00:53:25,460
we're keeping secret and this explains

1288
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:29,270
all those crazy UFO sightings and you

1289
00:53:34,780 --> 00:53:31,810
know it all made perfect sense to me

1290
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:34,790
until you know I got in contact with

1291
00:53:40,300 --> 00:53:37,839
everything until you stepped inside

1292
00:53:41,740 --> 00:53:40,310
walked inside tell us how you walked

1293
00:53:45,069 --> 00:53:41,750
inside because people want to know that

1294
00:53:47,890 --> 00:53:45,079
but that feeling you described of seeing

1295
00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:47,900
everything the size of the seats the

1296
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:49,730
feeling you had can you explain that to

1297
00:53:55,390 --> 00:53:53,050
everybody like you explained to me yeah

1298
00:53:59,230 --> 00:53:55,400
there is a hatch on the side that

1299
00:54:01,390 --> 00:53:59,240
extends below and above the centerline

1300
00:54:03,339 --> 00:54:01,400
and when you go and you pretty much have

1301
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:03,349
to crawl in there they have a little

1302
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:05,599
stanchion to go up there but it was

1303
00:54:09,940 --> 00:54:08,450
obvious I mean immediately when you go

1304
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:09,950
in there why did they make this thing so

1305
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:12,079
small what the hell is going on you

1306
00:54:16,089 --> 00:54:13,520
couldn't stand up in the middle it was

1307
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:16,099
clearly made for something much smaller

1308
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:18,530
than a person you know it's aside from

1309
00:54:23,950 --> 00:54:20,450
all the technology but just the physical

1310
00:54:25,839 --> 00:54:23,960
aspects of it that the material you know

1311
00:54:27,940 --> 00:54:25,849
was all the same everything was the same

1312
00:54:30,130 --> 00:54:27,950
color the way it was assembled

1313
00:54:32,859 --> 00:54:30,140
everything started looking stranger and

1314
00:54:35,410 --> 00:54:32,869
stranger to me you know and then it

1315
00:54:37,350 --> 00:54:35,420
became obvious once we started having

1316
00:54:40,050 --> 00:54:37,360
discussions about what ours worked

1317
00:54:43,350 --> 00:54:40,060
on that this is a reverse engineering

1318
00:54:46,050 --> 00:54:43,360
project you know it took a while for

1319
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:46,060
this to hit me because I was I really

1320
00:54:50,250 --> 00:54:47,530
didn't buy any of this you have Oh

1321
00:54:51,900 --> 00:54:50,260
nonsense for a long time so Georgia I

1322
00:54:54,420 --> 00:54:51,910
wanted to ask you know again through the

1323
00:54:56,310 --> 00:54:54,430
lens of 30 years I know neither of you

1324
00:54:57,450 --> 00:54:56,320
expected this to transform your lives

1325
00:55:00,270 --> 00:54:57,460
and take over like this

1326
00:55:03,930 --> 00:55:00,280
how has reporting and taking that risk

1327
00:55:05,340 --> 00:55:03,940
on Bob's story because you've vetted him

1328
00:55:08,310 --> 00:55:05,350
you didn't just believe you vetted him

1329
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:08,320
hard how has it changed your life over

1330
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:10,170
30 years

1331
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:12,880
well it certainly affected the arc of my

1332
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:15,520
professional life I think I probably put

1333
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:18,160
a cap on what I could do because I would

1334
00:55:22,380 --> 00:55:20,170
forever be the UFO guy and you know I've

1335
00:55:24,570 --> 00:55:22,390
done a lot of UFO stories over the years

1336
00:55:26,850 --> 00:55:24,580
starting with Bob but I've done

1337
00:55:30,270 --> 00:55:26,860
thousands of other stories and and have

1338
00:55:33,450 --> 00:55:30,280
got you know Matt and I have had some

1339
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:33,460
success in terms of recognition for

1340
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:34,930
those stories but it doesn't matter

1341
00:55:40,010 --> 00:55:36,880
wherever I go on the UFO guy and I'm

1342
00:55:44,970 --> 00:55:40,020
stopped and you know in restaurants and

1343
00:55:47,340 --> 00:55:44,980
bars when I end up in a bar and at Men's

1344
00:55:50,490 --> 00:55:47,350
in men's rooms and urinals as I told

1345
00:55:52,530 --> 00:55:50,500
yesterday and and at foreign countries

1346
00:55:55,050 --> 00:55:52,540
and airports and you know the UFO guy

1347
00:55:56,340 --> 00:55:55,060
and it and grocery stores and people

1348
00:55:58,530 --> 00:55:56,350
want to come up and hey do you really

1349
00:56:00,090 --> 00:55:58,540
really believe that stuff and you know

1350
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:00,100
they don't they don't really care what I

1351
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:01,810
believe about UFOs they want to tell me

1352
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:04,210
their UFO story and it's just amazing to

1353
00:56:08,790 --> 00:56:07,410
me that everybody's got one and you it

1354
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:08,800
everybody's got one

1355
00:56:12,210 --> 00:56:10,480
it's somebody in their family they've

1356
00:56:14,310 --> 00:56:12,220
seen something or somebody else in their

1357
00:56:16,350 --> 00:56:14,320
family or there's grandma has a story or

1358
00:56:18,510 --> 00:56:16,360
something landed in the backyard or out

1359
00:56:20,730 --> 00:56:18,520
in the farm it's amazing how far it

1360
00:56:23,460 --> 00:56:20,740
reaches so it has changed changed me in

1361
00:56:24,930 --> 00:56:23,470
a lot of ways in that I was not really

1362
00:56:27,540 --> 00:56:24,940
that interested in it you know until

1363
00:56:30,750 --> 00:56:27,550
started working on this and and then it

1364
00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:30,760
it's captured my attention ever since

1365
00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:33,910
it's I don't work on UFO stuff all the

1366
00:56:37,140 --> 00:56:35,260
time but I think about it all the time

1367
00:56:38,970 --> 00:56:37,150
so I would add just one other thing in

1368
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:38,980
that skepticism and this topic is

1369
00:56:42,450 --> 00:56:40,930
important it's important for you to be

1370
00:56:45,060 --> 00:56:42,460
skeptical and ask questions with

1371
00:56:46,620 --> 00:56:45,070
skepticism in the sense of hey I want to

1372
00:56:48,270 --> 00:56:46,630
know more I want to learn more I want to

1373
00:56:50,190 --> 00:56:48,280
ask questions I want to be ant I have

1374
00:56:51,150 --> 00:56:50,200
those questions answered that's fine you

1375
00:56:52,650 --> 00:56:51,160
it you need it

1376
00:56:54,810 --> 00:56:52,660
here because there's so much crazy stuff

1377
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:54,820
in the awful world it's right to ask

1378
00:56:58,650 --> 00:56:56,770
questions a bob and ask about his

1379
00:57:01,740 --> 00:56:58,660
background and and figure out if there's

1380
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:01,750
logic to what he's saying but skepticism

1381
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:03,490
and debunking or two different things or

1382
00:57:08,850 --> 00:57:06,210
so much garbage and junk there's so much

1383
00:57:13,290 --> 00:57:08,860
backbiting and infighting and turf wars

1384
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:13,300
and debunking by UFO people presumably

1385
00:57:17,220 --> 00:57:14,890
people are interested in getting to the

1386
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:17,230
bottom of this who because a story comes

1387
00:57:22,110 --> 00:57:19,330
from somebody else they got to attack it

1388
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:22,120
and I it's just an amazing learning

1389
00:57:26,970 --> 00:57:24,490
experience the last year or two since a

1390
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:26,980
tip off SAP TTS a all that stuff came

1391
00:57:32,010 --> 00:57:29,440
out how vicious that the field can be

1392
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:32,020
it's debunking it's not skepticism so

1393
00:57:36,450 --> 00:57:34,930
ask questions be skeptical but have an

1394
00:57:38,490 --> 00:57:36,460
open mind and an open heart and be

1395
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:38,500
willing to learn stuff about it what

1396
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:40,450
we've learned from Bob is I think it's

1397
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:42,130
true if it wasn't true I wouldn't still

1398
00:57:46,410 --> 00:57:43,690
be reporting about it thirty years later

1399
00:57:48,750 --> 00:57:46,420
this mystery seems to be tantalizingly

1400
00:57:50,310 --> 00:57:48,760
out of our reach we learn a little bit

1401
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:50,320
more and it moves a little bit away the

1402
00:57:54,780 --> 00:57:51,850
goalpost seems to move a little bit

1403
00:57:57,420 --> 00:57:54,790
maybe it's leading us somewhere maybe

1404
00:58:00,800 --> 00:57:57,430
it's a learning curve I hope so but we

1405
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:00,810
don't know and but it's exciting time

1406
00:58:06,420 --> 00:58:04,570
I'm so glad for Bob that some of these

1407
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:06,430
other events have happened to sort of

1408
00:58:10,380 --> 00:58:08,650
like take the burden off of him as being

1409
00:58:11,820 --> 00:58:10,390
this lone nut ball talking about

1410
00:58:15,390 --> 00:58:11,830
flying-saucer programs or worse

1411
00:58:19,950 --> 00:58:15,400
engineering because he hasn't deserved

1412
00:58:22,020 --> 00:58:19,960
the the scorn and ridicule and you know

1413
00:58:24,450 --> 00:58:22,030
all the stuff that's come with it over

1414
00:58:28,650 --> 00:58:24,460
the years it's been it's been a [\h__\h]

1415
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:28,660
it's well I just want to end on one

1416
00:58:34,140 --> 00:58:30,880
question for you but I just wanted to

1417
00:58:36,060 --> 00:58:34,150
say you know thank you Bob thank you

1418
00:58:38,970 --> 00:58:36,070
George for letting me go on this ride

1419
00:58:41,100 --> 00:58:38,980
with you I know I hope that we were able

1420
00:58:43,140 --> 00:58:41,110
to bring things forward in a way that

1421
00:58:45,330 --> 00:58:43,150
were logical for people to be able to

1422
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:45,340
consume thank you for letting me be a

1423
00:58:47,790 --> 00:58:46,210
part of it

1424
00:58:49,980 --> 00:58:47,800
you guys I know have been in this war

1425
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:49,990
together for 30 years just trying to get

1426
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:52,930
to the truth kind of last question what

1427
00:58:56,490 --> 00:58:54,610
do you want the audience here in

1428
00:58:58,530 --> 00:58:56,500
McMinnville from your story what what is

1429
00:59:00,720 --> 00:58:58,540
it you want people in the world to know

1430
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:00,730
from watching it from what is it you

1431
00:59:05,060 --> 00:59:02,290
you're telling them what do you want

1432
00:59:07,590 --> 00:59:05,070
them to understand very simply

1433
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:07,600
it's just like I said in the movie the

1434
00:59:12,510 --> 00:59:10,000
events that I portrayed everything that

1435
00:59:14,970 --> 00:59:12,520
I said happened exactly like I said it

1436
00:59:17,790 --> 00:59:14,980
did that's that's all the government

1437
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:17,800
really does have or at least at that

1438
00:59:23,810 --> 00:59:21,850
time had recovered alien craft and they

1439
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:23,820
were spending a lot of time and money

1440
00:59:27,780 --> 00:59:26,050
trying to figure out how they work and

1441
00:59:29,850 --> 00:59:27,790
see if they could duplicate it I have no

1442
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:29,860
idea where the project is now but back

1443
00:59:33,070 --> 00:59:32,050
then that's what was going on and that's

1444
00:59:34,700 --> 00:59:33,080
what I did

1445
00:59:46,060 --> 00:59:34,710
[Applause]